Guest6 December 2007 at 15:57 #47000
I am contemplating an overhaul of the clutch. Has any one found a way to improve its performance?Tim Wadsworth6 December 2007 at 16:35 #47001
It was never very good but if you use clutch springs from the 3/3.5 litre (and providing you have a strong enough left leg) you can get some improvement.bob6 December 2007 at 18:04 #47003
LMB racing proposes a conversion to Land Rover clutch; this can be operated by a 7 years old child.
Of course, not the original, but very effective.Julian Messent7 December 2007 at 11:40 #47004
Thanks for the plug Bob,
Yes, we do a simple conversion and the kit comes complete with everything you need to carry out the fitment,
It also improves gear changing drastically :} :}
In stock at all times.
Julian.Tim Gresty14 December 2007 at 17:36 #47054
bob wrote: LMB racing proposes a conversion to Land Rover clutch; this can be operated by a 7 years old child.
Of course, not the original, but very effective.
I am very concerned re encouraging 7 years olds to drive 2-Litres.
My Keeper is at least 8 times that age, he’s driven me for over 8 years, and he still screws up that awkward gear change with grinding regularity. And he claims he’s a good driver. Humph.
So, please be careful who you encourage to drive us. We get hurt, you know !
Lennie the Lagonda
PS Excellent idea, offering a Land Rover based clutch. But two points :
1. Doesn’t that negate the VSCC Eligibility Form, thus precluding you from competition ?
2. Isn’t the point of having a car like me that you accept the challenges and limitations of old cars, and their weaknesses as well as strengths ?
My keeper is rebuilding my original engine, and has elected to keep the original clutch with new lining.
Perhaps we’ll master Sutton Bank next time, and not just end up in an embarrassing cloud of smoke !oakley15 December 2007 at 11:25 #47060
I am rebuilding the clutch of my 2L as well and have also decided to restore it but keep it original (albeit with improved springs and lining). If you know how to use the Lagonda 2L clutch and how to handle the gear lever there should be no trouble changing gear without unnecessary noises. However, I can recommend de-activating the “clutch-stop”. This is a highly sensitive Lagonda device which, in my experience, actually only complicates gear changing. I have tried to apply it for many months, using hundreds of different settings, but only after I disconnected it alltogether I could silently change gears. You just have to be slightly more relaxed in your movements.A M A Lead15 December 2007 at 11:57 #47061
I cannot understand why people have vintage cars and then want to make them modern by putting Landrover parts in the clutch.I have driven 2 Litre Lagondas all my life and if the clutch is set up properly it is first class and has never given me any trouble ,in fact it is most robust.I do agree that one gets a much better change with the clutch stop let almost off.Half the fun of driving a vintage car is to get to know it’s ways and how to master them.Gear changing on the 2Litre is great fun when you get it right and that only comes with use and familiarity,so please do not ruin your car by changing it from the original.Sorry about that Julian
Adrian leadTim Gresty15 December 2007 at 22:33 #47064
I’m with you, Adrian + Oakley.
Why have a superb vintage car such as a 2-litre, and then change the running gear (eg clutch) to make it easier to drive ?
If you want a ‘modern car experience’, go and buy a modern car.
If you want the real reward of owning and driving a vintage car, keep it in its original specification,
and learn how to drive it properly – including handling challenging gear changes, tempremental clutches that demand a carful left foot, braking that demands careful planning, and all the other elements that make driving a real piece of motoring history so special, rather than the ersatz pseudo-satisfaction of using some sort of updated replica.
Winning your class at VSCC Prescott + Loton Park (OK, on handicap !), thundering round VSCC circuits as Course Car, enjoying such track days as Anglesey Circuit, or completing the Northern Rally and the 75th Anniversary parade at Le Mans, in a car that is original, is a sheer joy.
To do the same in a car that ‘benefits’ from modern adaptations like new clutches or revised brakes or engine components that never saw the light of day when I was new is to achieve far less.
Lennie the LagondaTim Wadsworth16 December 2007 at 21:46 #47065
Yes, and No ! Despite all you say about the 2 litre (and I should know, I’ve had mine for almost 50 years) not evey bit of the design is perfect and the clutch stop is a case in point. In fact it is a very poor piece of design. If you are not going to embarrass your self and hold up other traffic it is sometimes necessary to achieve a quick upward change. An improved clutch stop (see magazine 200) works wonders, replaces the existing with no other modifications, and could easily have been made in the 30’s – if the factory had given some attention to it. I fully respect the “keep it as it was” brigade but in my view some “in period” modifications are fully justified.Julian Messent17 December 2007 at 08:48 #47067
I hear what you say guys BUT.
I dare say that not one of you has a “standard” 2 litre in any case,
53 bhp and 1500kg do not make exciting motoring and most people these days have done something or other to their 2 litres to make them perform better and NOT as the factory supplied them. Why not the clutch? (although I do see your argument up to a point)
Secondly, we have a new sort of Lagonda owner appearing these days, these people want a car to perform better (this is their prerogative as they are the owners!) they want them, faster, more reliable and dare I say easier to drive than a standard 2 litre which has got to rate, in standard form, as one of the most awkward cars of the 30s to drive in the mountains.
VSCC? who are they? 😆 😆 😆
Not everyone cares about the VSCC, they are shooting themselves in the foot more and more, and I for one and many of my friends and customers have chosen not to our my toes too close to them any more.
I would rather help someone by giving them a lot more power from their engine, as long as it looks standard on the outside, Giving them a clutch that not only works properly, but makes life easier, and does not slip when faced with this extra power and a hill start, And not only can you not see this modification, but it still retains the essence of the 2 litre lagonda which has got to be one of the most beautiful and pleasant Lagonda’s ever made. Rather than fitting an Alvis syncro gearbox and hydraulic brakes etc,
Why struggle with a bad design and let it spoil your motoring (as it does for some people) when it is so easy so remedy?
Julian. 🙂oakley17 December 2007 at 08:59 #47068
I am still struggling with another problem and hope that anyone out there may have an answer. The downdraught SU carburetters on my 2L engine “spit back” quite a bit of petrol (in very tiny droplets)through the air inlets when the engine is running, especially when the car accelerates. This creates a highly explosive atmosphere under the bonnet and a nasty petrol smell. As I am currently rebuilding the engine I would like to solve that problem – only I haven’t a clue what causes it. The car ran very well in spite of this and the valve overlap was 15 degrees. Ideas anyone?oakley17 December 2007 at 09:08 #47069
Stupid questions perhaps but how do I start a new topic? Also I tried to answer an earlier posting from Adrian but I do not know how to do that. Is there perhaps a Forum manager who can explain this or am I being particularly thick?DavidLG4517 December 2007 at 11:31 #47070
To start a new topic:
On the page that lists all the different sections – General, Market, V12 , 2 litre etc (it’s the first page you get when you login) scroll down until you find a suitable section for your new post. Let’s say you choose 16/80, click on either “motor” or “other” according to where you want to put your new topic. At the bottom of the existing posts on the right hand side it says “New Topic”, click on there and type away on the form. You don’t need to bother with any of the fancy bits like bold, etc. Then hit Submit (or Preview) when you’re done. You can come back and edit your own posts later.
To add to an existing topic I think you can only add at the end (most recent).
Hope that helps?Tim Gresty17 December 2007 at 16:26 #47072
Hi, Julian M, Tim W + all !
Now that’s what a good Forum is all about.
Different viewpoints, put positively without rancour, and building up to a worthwhile dialogue from which we can all learn.
There’s truth in all the points made. We 2-Litres can be a bit of a handful in challenging terrain, and a fast, clean gearchange can make all the difference to success or shuddering stop. That’s what happened on Sutton Bank.
I’ve even suffered the dreaded clutch slip as Course Car at Oulton park, due to a carelessly-applied left foot. Amateur drivers !
And when my keeper completes that original engine rebuild, I will be able to judge the effectiveness of those new re-profiled camshafts which Julian supplied so helpfully . . . so I’m not without sin in the originality department !
By the way, if you want a really informative day out, drive or fly over to Antwerp, and get Julian to show you around LMB. My keeper had a wonderful time, and was very impressed.
Cheers to all !
Lenny the LagondaGuest17 December 2007 at 18:31 #47074
Well, I only asked!! What a fascinating cross section of views. But then what did I expect, as obviously only intelligent people buy 2Ls in the first place. I do agree about the pleasures of mastering a vintage car – but try asking the six people who had to push me off my parking spot at Prescot ( four-up, but picnic box and bottles empty uphill on grass). Or those moderns who follow me impatiently uphill and then suddenly find me slowing down when I change from 2 to 3.
So, Julian to help me in my deliberations one way or t’other – “How much??
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