• Barry Brown
    13 June 2011 at 17:56 #48285

    Can someone please explain what is the function of the drilled flange. If indeed cycle wings were fitted they would then turn with the wheel. Surely this is not the purpose. Mystified yet again. Thanks, Barry

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    eddie bourke
    13 June 2011 at 23:33 #48288

    Hi Barry,
    I have seen these used on M45’s and they were also used on the 3L ‘s that had cycle wings fitted. Never saw a M45 with cycle wings fitted this way and think that they had a good stock of these backplates to use up when the M45 went in to production.
    Eddie.

    Barry Brown
    14 June 2011 at 00:01 #48289

    Thanks for the quick reply Eddie . Much appreciated.

    daveroberts
    18 June 2011 at 19:44 #48309

    Barry,

    My 1935 M45 ST34 pillarless saloon is fitted with cycle front mudguards, supported by the flange on the backplate, and a second flange on a boss near the king pin. Hope this helps.

    Regards…….Dave.

    Colin M34
    19 June 2011 at 12:51 #48310

    Hi Dave,

    An M45 ST34 pillarless saloon with long wings looks pretty good. I would imagine that with cycle front mudguards it looks spectacular!

    Can you post a picture of it on this site?

    Colin M45

    daveroberts
    21 June 2011 at 11:35 #48312

    Hi Colin,

    details of my M45 are as follows :-

    Reg No . VJ 6739
    Type M45. ST34
    Engine No. 2893
    Car no. Z11143

    I have several photo’s of the car whenI acquired it some years ago. They clearly show the helmet front wings, mounted on the backplates and the ski style of running board, also present on a ST24. Unfortunately time, woodworm. and accident damage had reduced the pillarless bodywork to the scuttle and bonnet.

    i prefer wind in what is left of my hair motoring, so I have built a T2 body minus the side skirts. It will look like Geoff Seatons wonderful 3 litre tourer when finished. Yes, it yet another bloody tourer. However, I do have a saloon body within reach, that I could fit to the chassis now and again to keep the purists happy. I see in Holthausen’s tome on the 4 i/2 litre , illustrations of ST24 and ST34, and apparentlySTt34 cars were available with the short or helmet or cycle wing to special order.
    Maybe my car is, or was a rarity.

    I will scan the photos shortly when i have worked out how to on my new scanner. Hope this helps.

    Regards………Dave.

    daveroberts
    24 June 2011 at 13:08 #48313

    Hi Colin,
    I have had trouble compressing the photo files down to less than 200 Kb to upload to the forum, so I have sent then to you to forward if you have the knack. Please forgive the shot showing it as LHD!
    However, you can see the louvred panel below the scuttle not present on long wing cars. as you can see, there was not a lot of the original body, merely the scuttle and the base framework bolted to the chassis with numerous outriggers.

    I was restoring a low chassis 2 litre at the time and I needed somewhere to park the body whilst the chassis was being worked on, and was most surprised that it fitted the Z chassis when placed on top. The extra 9″ of wheelbase on the Z chassis is found in the bonnet length.

    Dave

    daveroberts
    24 June 2011 at 21:18 #48314

    Hi Colin,

    The remains of my M45 ST34 with helmet front wings, as requested.

    Regards…….Dave

    Colin M34
    27 June 2011 at 08:26 #48320

    Here are Dave?s photos. Very interesting! We have to remember several rules with Lagondas ? firstly, a customer could have anything they wanted. and secondly, no two Lagondas are alike so you will always find an exception to prove the rule.

    To my eyes, the cycle wings and ski running boards on Dave?s car look pretty original. This is supported by the fact that the headlamp bracket assembly is braced as per cycle winged cars. Also note that these wings turn with the wheels compared with helmet wings often fitted to ST24 cars. Now it gets confusing. The ski running boards were normally supplied to cars with fixed helmet wings. These do not move with steering whereas the cycle wings do and cars with these wings cars normally had short running boards.

    So here are my thoughts. Perhaps a customer was upgrading from an earlier car and liked cycle wings. I?m sure the sales man would be very happy to agree to an unusual specification, or being 6 months from bankruptcy in 1935, perhaps the factory had some cycle wing kits left over and made this as a special edition to clear the stock. Or maybe the car might have had a crash early in its life and was repaired locally or went back to the factory to be fitted with a new or second hand cycle wing kit.

    Whatever the reality is, these are clearly original Lagonda made wings which have been on the car for a long time.

    Dave?s chassis number is Z11143 which is one car later than my M45 saloon number Z11142. Both of our cars were ST34 bodies and I have posted a picture of my car taken around 1937 which has the normal long wings. Curiously, Dave?s car was registered in mid November 1934 whereas mine was not registered till mid April 1935, four months later. Perhaps mine was a demonstrator on trade plates or maybe simply hung around unsold in a dealer?s showroom.

    Dave, thanks for the photos. I look forward to seeing your M45 in its new cycle-winged tourer guise. For me, part of the fun with Lagondas is tracking down quirks such as these.

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    Peter S30
    28 June 2011 at 07:21 #48324

    Just one remark: the ski type running boards (you find pictures in Arnold Daveys books or Holthusen or others) were bent upwards on the front end (that?s why they are called so). The running boards here are bent down in a strange way.

    daveroberts
    29 June 2011 at 21:23 #48328

    Hi Peter,
    The offside running board on my ST34 does indeed bend downwards.
    However the nearside one is bent upwards, as in Arnold’s book.The photo apparently showing the nearside of the car has been reversed by my clumsy uploading technique. The downward bend is due to a severe attack of the same woodworm that killed the bodywork, and my 15 stone standing on it. A closer look at the reversed photo will show an incorrect LHD steering wheel position and the drag link. Easy mistake . A number plate in position would have helped.

    Dave

    rdesalis
    1 July 2018 at 21:00 #52835

    The cycle wings (turning with the wheel) have a stiff black fabric mudshield on the inner side, which extends from the steel wing to the aluminium backplate, with steel brackets behind it. Our 2 litre has these, but we want to replace the material. Does anyone know a suitable material? Cant quite figure out what it is.

    bill
    2 July 2018 at 17:45 #52836

    I always used very thick black leather (approx. 4mm or 5mm thick) which you can get from any saddler. It is very hard wearing and you can also trim the edge very easily with a Stanley knife if necessary.

    Colin M34
    4 July 2018 at 19:18 #52838

    Shiny thick leather looks like a perfect solution.

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    Colin M34
    4 July 2018 at 19:22 #52839

    By the way, my M45 is Z11142, one chassis number away from Dave’s car!

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