SRD9 December 2012 at 14:30 #49898
The price is rather than on the high side at 70k, for a middle length chassis de Ville, and a car that no doubt requires a bottomless pocket.Barry Brown9 December 2012 at 16:31 #49899
I am interested in knowing why this car would be such an expensive proposition if one was to retain it’s oily rag look? From the pictures and if the mileage is authentic why could it not just be cleaned up and driven as is? I know a 100 point restoration would be exorbitant but why bother? I really like the look of this car as it is .Alistair Crawford9 December 2012 at 16:35 #49900
and log book says red (car is black) and my recollection is that Lagonda engine number 16011 is in a DHC owned by Eckhard Fabricius. does the car on eBay have a Lagonda engine under that long bonnet?h149 December 2012 at 18:06 #49901
Perhaps a discovery; have found no mention of this registration in any of my membership lists. “4200cc” is not correct for a V12; it does appear to have twin exhausts though. I too thought “red” odd, the car is clearly black & that appears to be the original paintwork. Lagondas thought nothing of transferring engines between cars; mine had 3 different engines in it before 1945!
Nice to think that one could just change the oil and run it; but how likely is that? We are not told why it was taken off the road..
LaurenceAlistair Crawford9 December 2012 at 21:29 #49902
my only point was that the logbook says engine 16011 and I don’t believe that is correct. but the ad specifically says a Bentley 4.2L V12 engine so that may be what is under that dusty bonnet.
What a pleasure it would be if this fine car could be saved and brought back to life!Barry Brown9 December 2012 at 21:44 #49903
I agree. I love the look of this car, not ostentatious like a Roller or second class like a Derby , whoever bought this originally had good taste.h1410 December 2012 at 14:21 #49904
The issue here is perhaps that the factory “engine” number for these is that stated on the original registration document and indeed the car data plate on the bulkhead. That number is in fact the chassis number, and that is why that number appears. The real engine number would be V12/— , but I believe Lagondas deliberately stated the chassis number so as to indulge their love of engine swapping. In most cases, the chassis number would be stamped on the engine timing cover. It is quite possible that this car’s engine is therefore also stamped 16011.
One thing is clear, which I’m sure Eckhard appreciates, is that the engine in his car was at one time, perhaps when new, in the car advertised. V12/11, the number of Eckhard’s engine, is pretty early, so also more likely to have started life in this car than Eckhard’s. Incidentally, my LG6’s “engine” number is 12360, as the chassis number…but just visible nearby is 12525 (last digit indistinct), so a neat illustration of Lagonda practice.
Was there a Bentley 4.2 litre V12 engine? I rather suspect that this is a DVLA “correction”; they “corrected” my V12’s to something like 5348cc…presumably an Aston Martin engine size; 4200 indicates Jaguar to me!
What delightful conjecture this is! Having made much of the “Bentley” engine, and with so many photos, why none of the engine?!
LaurenceSRD11 December 2012 at 18:37 #49908
I asked the seller to take a few more pictures including the engine and interior.
The V12 4.5 litre Lagonda engine is present.
Also some interior pictures, which show a remarkable level of preservation and overall good order.
I wouldn’t set any store by the many mistakes which the DVLA makes on car paperwork, that is all normal on older cars.Barry Brown12 December 2012 at 00:33 #49913
hmmm, maybe not oily rag, I would want a very close look before venturing into that , still magnificent thoughh1412 December 2012 at 18:04 #49917
Does seem to be a great opportunity for someone to buy a V12 in un-messed about condition. Can we but hope it doesn’t re-appear as a LM rep.
The engine is very much a Sanction 2 one; perhaps unlikely therefore the original December 1938 factory fitment. First time I’ve seen what the breather pipes from the valve covers to the air silencer look like. Interesting also to see the ignition coils on the battery side of the bulkhead, with the king leads passing through grommets.
LaurenceStewart19 December 2012 at 09:05 #49928
bruffsup wrote: hmmm, maybe not oily rag, I would want a very close look before venturing into that , still magnificent though
Mundane bodywork that is heavy looking compared to my Derbysh1419 December 2012 at 10:41 #49929
Agreed Derby Bentleys often have bodies of lighter appearance, but this V12 is “mundane”? Presumably you find modern RRs & Bentleys attractive!Stewart19 December 2012 at 10:58 #49930
Not really. The newer bodies with exceptions (The superb Brooklands ) are not to my particular taste. I own several Derbys and a V12 coachbuilt saloon and the previous comment in regard to Derbys I felt was incorrect as there are many superlative Derbys as there are LagondasBarry Brown19 December 2012 at 14:39 #49931
you misinterpreted my comment. I was referring to the second place status of Derbys a relegated by the brass at Rolls, not the aesthetic qualities.Many are very attractive but that said IN MY OPINION there was never a derby or Rolls from the thirties that is as beautiful as an M45.
Remember that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Post some pictures of your treasures .
If I had the money I would buy that v12.
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